Thinking about Creation

As I often do with Scot McKnight’s blog posts, I will be closely following one of his current threads pertaining to evolution and its relationship to the Christian faith.

This question is very close to my heart at the moment, as I have run up against it a number of times over the last few years. Personally, I have become convinced that the cosmos is as old as our scientists tell us it is. And I see consistently logical reasons to believe what paleontologists and geologists and astronomers have been telling us about the age of the earth and about the gradual development of our species over hundreds of thousands of years. But as a Bible-believing Christian, I have some wrestling to do with the creation account of Genesis 1-3 (really even through chapter 11). How can I decide that these chapters are not to be taken as historical (even if some of the biblical writers may have thought it was, given their historical context) and yet accept Paul’s discussion in Romans 5 of the fall of Adam and our fate as his descendants? How would it affect my understanding of the accomplishment of the Second Adam, Christ, on my behalf?

I have plenty to write about this, but right now I’ve got to go corral a classroom full of teenagers (most of whom have criminal records), so maybe watch this space and pitch in your thoughts when you have time.

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6 Responses to “Thinking about Creation”

  1. Bart Breen Says:

    Greeting,

    I am an Old Earth Creationist and a moderator at the Discussion Forums at the website http://www.godandscience.org where my handle is canuckster1127

    Feel free to come on and interact and you’ll find a lot to look at and think about in this area.

    blessings,

    bart

    • Jinn D Says:

      I am a firm believer in the concept of G-d or be it a higher power. The Biblical aspect of G-d and Christ are amazing and very interesting, in my opinion.

      I too struggled with the Creation vs Evolution Debate. This is what I’ve come to know as fact:

      Evolution is real…but it does not cause one species to turn into another.
      Hair Cell turns Cancer Cell. Still a Cell.
      Salt Water Shark turns Fresh Water Shark. Still a Shark.

      So the whole Human from Fish is a Theory and in no way disproves Creation.

      It is a Theory and/or Assumption, a concept and has never been proven fact.
      Adaption and ‘Speciation’ are excellent examples of Evolution.

      Physics – Law of Conservation of Energy – Everything is CREATED or MADE from Energy/Atoms.
      As for the Creator. Everyone has their belief.

      Most living organisms are found to be around 6 – 10 k years old. Known as the oldest on Earth.

      All very interesting stuff.

      The Biblical interpretation of Earth and it’s age hold some significance. How much? We’ve yet to know.

      Just remember, always ask questions and seek the truth.

      Amen.

  2. Michael Westmoreland-White Says:

    Paul uses Adam/Christ typology. It’s metaphor. It does NOT work on the level of historical claims–not even in Romans.

  3. brotherjohnny Says:

    I’m interested in reading your thoughts…

  4. Chris Says:

    I am glad the scriptures are meant to be writings that point us inward to Christ and not giving us history lessons. Evolution? Why not – God is still the source do we really have to know how He did it? I like the “Could be” answer. Enjoy your discoveries!!!

  5. Mike Morrell Says:

    My own (ahem) evolving point of view on this is that the Bible is God-breathed and profitable – the whole nine yards. But affirming what Scripture says about Scripture does not mean affirming modern glosses on such affirmation – like innerancy or selective literal-ness.

    So, while Scripture is true, it doesn’t mean that everything described therein literally happened or happens – like Psalms referring to the ‘four corners’ of the earth. Some of it’s poetry, and some of it’s prophecy. Indeed, when getting into the sheer ineffability of God (ineffability itself being a concept of the later Hebrew Bible and NT probably borrowed from Greek and Persian culture, I’ll admit – the early Hebraic images of God are quite concrete and effable), poetry, prophecy, and metaphor are the only ways one can intelligibly speak of God – especially when dealing with stories of origins.

    So, Adam and Eve. I take a kind’ve idiosyncratic (though by no means novel) approach to this primordial pair. In short, I believe they are (or they represent) the first humans to have passed along from our forbearers to homo sapiens, the first to gain self-reflexive consciousness – indeed, the Tree of Knowledge can be seen as an archetypal symbol of just this kind of consciousness, which science tells us evolved in humans about 8,000 to 10,000 years ago. For the previous 100,000+ years, we had a kind of ‘oceanic’ consciousness – beautiful in many ways, but not quite what we’d consider human in other ways. Isn’t this what Christians have always been grappling with in our stories and theologies of ‘the fall’?

    So: Adam & Eve and Eden is the story of the double-edged development of self reflexive consciousness, and the emergence of simple agriculture. Cain and Abel is the story of more complex agrarian society (Cain) versus the earlier, oceanic hunter-gatherers (Abel) – God, of course, was on the side of tradition. And then Cain’s wanderings, and Babel, tell the story of early urban society, etc… This reading of our earliest Sacred Text actually bolsters my confidence in them as inspired and authoritative, as it comports well with our scientific, developmental, and historical records – this strikes me as a credible this-worldly reading of Scripture with deep (though sometimes ambivalent and certainly up for interpretation) spiritual resonance, even for us today. But of course it would be maddening to try and comport this perspective with certain details if taken literally – like God fashioning people out of dust like we make Play-Doh snakes. But the underlying truth is THERE, and scientifically true as far as it goes – we are fashioned from dust, from the very stuff of stars. And because I’ve come to see God (in one of his many faces) as ‘emergent nested creativity,’ the very Spirit and suchness of evolution, then were I to poetically describe our emanation from God then I’d absolutely say it’s as intimate as God breathing the breath of life into our nostrils!

    BTW, have you ever seen Symphony of Science? Fun stuff.

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